Saturday, July 9, 2011

The Truth Comes Out - British Troops In Afghanistan Are Not Allowed To Fire Upon Taliban IED Emplacers


The controversial policy was emerged at an inquest into the death of Sgt Peter Rayner, 34, a soldier who was killed in October last year by an improvised explosive device as he led a patrol in Helmand Province, Afghanistan Photo: PA


I have blogged extensively about the ridiculous rules of engagement (ROE) that have been placed on American troops in Afghanistan but the latest example of handcuffing troops, the award for protecting the enemy, not your own, goes to Britain. It has come out that British troops have been ordered NOT to fire upon or take action against Taliban IED emplacers even when they are being clearly observed planting the deadly devices.

From the report at The Telegraph:

British soldiers who spot Taliban fighters planting roadside bombs are told not to shoot them because they do not pose an immediate threat, the Ministry of Defence has admitted.

They are instead being ordered to just observe insurgents and record their position to reduce the risk of civilian casualties.

The controversial policy emerged at an inquest into the death of Sgt Peter Rayner, 34, a soldier from the 2nd Batallion The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment who was killed in October last year by an improvised explosive device as he led a patrol in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.

Wendy Rayner, 40, disclosed that in the days leading up to his death her husband been told that it was not his job to attack insurgents laying bombs.

Mrs Rayner, who lives with their young son in Bradford, told the inquest that the insurgents were being allowed to get away with the murder of British troops.

She said: “They are not allowed to fire on these terrorists. If they can see people leaving these IEDs, why can’t they take them out? One officer even told him 'I am an army Captain and you will do your job'.

I'll only make two observations about all of this cause I'm too hopping mad at the moment.

First, this is what happens to a military that is infiltrated, subverted and controlled by the effeminate Marxists and multiculturalists. It's about what happens when environmentalists infect the business world of a country...pretty soon you cannot produce a single product for the benefit of society.

Second, this is what happens when islamists permeate a home western country - the public officials fear local violence and terror so much that they run a war of appeasing islamic jihadis.

There are two schools of thought - the first one is that if you appease the islamists, both at home and in foreign lands, the islamists will conform to your culture and leave behind their jihadi ways...the second school of thought is that the only thing that islamists will respect is brute force that destroys them. The second school of thought is correct. The first school of thought is cultural and literal suicide.




Soldiers told not to shoot Taliban bomb layers


British soldiers who spot Taliban fighters planting roadside bombs are told not to shoot them because they do not pose an immediate threat, the Ministry of Defence has admitted.

They are instead being ordered to just observe insurgents and record their position to reduce the risk of civilian casualties.

The controversial policy emerged at an inquest into the death of Sgt Peter Rayner, 34, a soldier from the 2nd Batallion The Duke of Lancaster's Regiment who was killed in October last year by an improvised explosive device as he led a patrol in Helmand Province, Afghanistan.

Wendy Rayner, 40, disclosed that in the days leading up to his death her husband been told that it was not his job to attack insurgents laying bombs.

Mrs Rayner, who lives with their young son in Bradford, told the inquest that the insurgents were being allowed to get away with the murder of British troops.

She said: “They are not allowed to fire on these terrorists. If they can see people leaving these IEDs, why can’t they take them out? One officer even told him 'I am an army Captain and you will do your job'.

"We have lost too many men out there, they had seen people planting IEDs yet could not open fire or make contact with them. I believe strongly if people had taken on board what he was saying more he might have been here today.”

Under the Geneva Convention and the nationally administered Rules of Engagement the 9,500 British troops in Afghanistan are told they can only attack if there is an immediate threat to life.

A key part of the MoD’s counter-insurgency theory holds that it is more important to win over civilians by not killing innocent people than it is to eliminate every potential insurgent.

One officer who has recently served in Afghanistan said that if a soldier wanted to ascertain if an insurgent was an immediate threat, he would have to approach him and expose himself to greater risk.

He said: “A British soldier manning a checkpoint at night might watch a man digging a hole for an IED 100 metres away and would not try to shoot at him. It’s a ludicrous situation.

“There has to be an immediate threat to life and that’s a hard thing to prove. An IED does not count as an immediate threat.

“The Americans are different – their Rules of Engagement are pretty liberal. If they even suspect someone of laying a bomb, they can shoot them.”

Afghans routinely dig holes in river banks to store meat because there is no refrigeration and farmers often dig at night because it is cooler to work.

The Taliban bomb layers take advantage of this to spread confusion.

They set roadside bombs where farmers work and villagers store meat, and they also pay civilians $10 a time to dig a hole.

If the civilian is shot, it is a propaganda victory for the Taliban, and if the hole is not discovered by soldiers, it can be used later for a roadside bomb.

The existing policy of “courageous restraint” was led by the US General Stanley McChrystal 18 months ago and has been repeatedly criticised for leaving soldiers fighting “with one hand behind their backs”.

At yesterday’s inquest, after the acting Bradford coroner Paul Marks recorded a verdict of unlawful killing, Mrs Rayner urged the MoD to “let our soldiers be soldiers”.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said: “Troops in Afghanistan are required to exercise restraint when dealing with this threat as the use of deadly force is not always appropriate when there is a risk of collateral damage.

“The aim of this policy is to avoid innocent civilians who may be in the vicinity.”

4 comments:

Ernest T. Bass said...

If those are the rules of engagement - then there is no point of patrolling. The Brits should pull out if this is what it has come to.

DocRambo said...

How is it possible that the British military has come to such low point? I would court martial the officers making up the ROE, and then put their sorry arses in the bomb squad and let them defuse a few of these IED's. What bovine scatology this is.

Anonymous said...

Britain is lost to the hoard.

Lysol said...

If England was attacked by Nazi Germany today. They would have surrendered yesterday.