So let me make sure I have this straight - we here in the United States have been at odds with Iran now for upwards of six years over the fact that the Iranians are seeking nuclear weapons and also the fact that they contributed to IED technology and training that helped kill U.S. troops in the Iraq War and just recently, it was proven that the Iranians has shipped 22 tons of explosives into Afghanistan for the Taliban to use in IEDs to kill American and NATO troops....but on Monday, when world representatives got together to discuss some plans for a peaceful settlement to the War in Afghanistan, Barack Hussein Obama's man in charge, Richard Holbrooke said it was just aokay...it was okie dokie....that the Iranians got to sit at the table?
I'm still sitting here with my jaw wide open.
Here's the details from the story at DAWN:
I'm still sitting here with my jaw wide open.
Here's the details from the story at DAWN:
Iran has taken part in a high-level meeting on Afghanistan after the United States said it has no problem with its participation.
The international ‘‘contact group’’ met in Rome on Monday amid a renewed push to end the nine-year-old war in Afghanistan, including bringing Taliban into peace talks. The group gathers the Afghan government, Nato, the EU, UN and other key players — including Iran this time — to assess progress in Afghanistan.
Representatives attending the talks said Iran was invited as part of efforts to have a comprehensive approach and include regional players in the discussions over the future of Afghanistan.
Richard Holbrooke, US special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said Washington was asked about possible Iranian involvement and responded it had no problem with it. He and other representatives stressed the talks are limited to Afghanistan and do not touch on the contentious issue of Tehran’s nuclear dossier.
‘‘This is a meeting on Afghanistan and it is restricted to Afghanistan,’’ Holbrooke told reporters. ‘‘What we are discussing here is not affected by, nor will it affect, the bilateral issues that are discussed elsewhere regarding Iran.’’
Citing Iran’s long border with Afghanistan and its problem of drugs and immigrants coming in from Afghanistan, Holbrooke said that Tehran ‘‘has a role to play in the peaceful settlement of the situation’’ and that ‘‘for the United States today there’s no problem with their presence.’’
Iran sent its special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Mohammed Ali Qanezadeh. The ‘‘contact group’’ also invited about a dozen representatives from countries in the Organization of Islamic Conference, as well as a representative of the group itself.
As I've stated several times, I'm against this whole charade of "peace talks" with the Taliban to begin with - it's just another case of the western world being made fools by the islamists. You don't think the Taliban AND the Iranians aren't laughing their asses off behind the scenes at these American and European clowns?
I mean, I don't fault anyone for trying new ways of bringing peace to Afghanistan but I'm here to tell you that the way to do that is not to bring a bunch of murdering Iranians to the party and it certainly isn't by making negotiations with barbarians like the Taliban. Now, if a bunch of Americans and Europeans and Afghans want to get together and decide on how to drop 20,000 bombs on the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan....now that I can see has some merit.
I mean, I don't fault anyone for trying new ways of bringing peace to Afghanistan but I'm here to tell you that the way to do that is not to bring a bunch of murdering Iranians to the party and it certainly isn't by making negotiations with barbarians like the Taliban. Now, if a bunch of Americans and Europeans and Afghans want to get together and decide on how to drop 20,000 bombs on the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan....now that I can see has some merit.
Oh, and one more thing - who the hell is exactly running this summit or contact group? Last time I checked, NO ONE in the world has invested more blood and money into the War in Afghanistan against the Taliban than the United States but yet we have Holbrooke saying it was okay that the Iranians were invited. So who the fuck invited them? Who's running this thing? Obama...are you showing your aversion to any sort of leadership, once more?
Iran joins high-level Afghan talks
ROME: Iran has taken part in a high-level meeting on Afghanistan after the United States said it has no problem with its participation.
The international ‘‘contact group’’ met in Rome on Monday amid a renewed push to end the nine-year-old war in Afghanistan, including bringing Taliban into peace talks. The group gathers the Afghan government, Nato, the EU, UN and other key players — including Iran this time — to assess progress in Afghanistan.
Representatives attending the talks said Iran was invited as part of efforts to have a comprehensive approach and include regional players in the discussions over the future of Afghanistan.
Richard Holbrooke, US special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said Washington was asked about possible Iranian involvement and responded it had no problem with it. He and other representatives stressed the talks are limited to Afghanistan and do not touch on the contentious issue of Tehran’s nuclear dossier.
‘‘This is a meeting on Afghanistan and it is restricted to Afghanistan,’’ Holbrooke told reporters. ‘‘What we are discussing here is not affected by, nor will it affect, the bilateral issues that are discussed elsewhere regarding Iran.’’
Citing Iran’s long border with Afghanistan and its problem of drugs and immigrants coming in from Afghanistan, Holbrooke said that Tehran ‘‘has a role to play in the peaceful settlement of the situation’’ and that ‘‘for the United States today there’s no problem with their presence.’’
Iran sent its special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Mohammed Ali Qanezadeh. The ‘‘contact group’’ also invited about a dozen representatives from countries in the Organization of Islamic Conference, as well as a representative of the group itself.
Qanezadeh described the meeting as ‘‘fruitful,’’ and said Iran believes in a ‘‘regional’’ solution for Afghanistan, one supported by the international community. The biggest problems in Afghanistan for Iran, he said, are ‘‘insecurity, drug trafficking and the presence of foreign forces.’’
Getting regional players involved was stressed by delegates at the one-day talks.
Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said that ‘‘having at the border a cooperative Pakistan is essential to succeeding.’’ His Afghan counterpart, Zalmal Rassoul, said in closing remarks that ‘‘without support from our neighbors, we’ll have difficulty achieving success on peace and security matters.’’
Other main topics of discussion were the transition process — or how to increase the assumption of responsibility for security by Afghan forces; and the process of reconciliation — or talks aimed at involving insurgents into the fold, including the Taliban.
Commanding Gen. David Petraeus, who was attending the talks in Rome, said last week that coalition forces have allowed Taliban representatives to travel to Kabul for peace discussions with the Afghan government, although a Taliban spokesman has dismissed the talk as propaganda. In Kabul, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said he has high hopes for a new peace council to negotiate with Taliban leaders he’s been meeting, according to a statement released Saturday by his office.
Holbrooke said Monday that ‘‘there’s room in Afghanistan for anyone who wishes to be reconciled.’’ He stressed conditions — or ‘‘red lines’’ — set forth by the coalition forces and the Afghan government that insurgents lay down arms, renounce al Qaeda, enter the political process and respect the constitution, including minority rights.
‘‘That’s not admitting defeat,’’ said Holbrooke. ‘‘We are not going to win this war by purely military means.’’
‘‘The war will not end on a battleship in Tokyo Bay, or at Dayton, Ohio. It will end through a different kind of process,’’ Holbrooke added, quoting from a briefing Petraeus gave the group earlier Monday.
The talks Monday are also a preparatory meeting ahead of a Nato summit next month in Lisbon to devise a plan for handing off control to the Afghans. However, Holbrooke said that there will be no ‘‘specific announcements of a number of provinces’’ that will regain responsibility of security.
‘‘We’re not going to lay out specific process,’’ he said. ‘‘We’re gonna talk about the transition process’’ in general.
Training personnel remains crucial, Holbrooke said, adding that even countries that are part of the group but not of the international force ISAF could train personnel.
Karzai’s stated deadline is for Afghan forces to take the lead from Nato in security operations by 2014. Delegates stressed Monday that the international community will remain involved in Afghanistan after that.
‘‘We are in this for the long haul,’’ vowed Michael Steiner, German representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan. ‘‘Afghanistan will continue to need and to receive our aid and this will continue for long after our military efforts have ended.” —AP
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How would you like to be the mother or father of a US soldier killed by the Taliban right now?
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